Radiator help

Discussion in 'Technical' started by Racer_X, Mar 9, 2010.

  1. Racer_X

    Racer_X Maverick Hugger

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2007
    Messages:
    1,191
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    117
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Vehicle:
    1974 Maverick (1970 clone)
    Ive herd that a 3 or 4 row copper/brass radiator cools just as god or better than an aluminum one.....could someone pleeeez tell me which of the two would be best for my .60 over dailey driver.......:huh:
     
  2. facelessnumber

    facelessnumber Drew Pittman

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2007
    Messages:
    3,710
    Likes Received:
    31
    Trophy Points:
    157
    Location:
    Memphis, TN
    Vehicle:
    '71 Grabber
    All depends on the total surface area. The number of cores is less important... Yes, copper/brass conducts heat better than aluminum. The reason most factory and high performance radiators are aluminum these days is for strength. Aluminum conducts heat almost as good as copper, but it's much stronger. So they can make wider, flatter rows with aluminum than they can with copper. Typically an aluminum radiator's cores are an inch wide or more. A 2-row or even a 1-row aluminum radiator can usually outperform a copper radiator with more cores, if all other factors are equal.
     
  3. don graham

    don graham MCG State Rep

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2002
    Messages:
    15,800
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    302
    Location:
    arizona city, az.
    Vehicle:
    70 mav, 71 grabber, 73 Comet, 2004 f-250 crew cab diesel, 2001 f-250, 2004 explorer, 2007 Gold Wing trike.
    If that's a .060 over 302, I would think it would be hard to keep cool any way. I've always heard that .040 is the most you want to go for a street car. I'd be interested to see how it goes. :)
     
  4. PaulS

    PaulS Member extrordiare

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    4,858
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Seattle area
    Vehicle:
    1966 Mustang, 1972, 73, 73 and 73 Mavericks
    Copper cools better than Aluminum but Brass does not. Aluminum is much better at transfering heat than brass is - almost twice the transfer coefficient. Aluminum is stronger which means that they can use thinner tubes that are larger than the brass tubes used. This means that a two row aluminum radiator will cool better than the three row brass tubes (more actual surface area in the aluminum and better heat transfer). All aluminum (or brass for that matter) radiators are not the same. All Aluminum radiators are lighter than their brass counterparts and in the same overall size the Aluminum radiators will out perform the Brass radiators.
    Boring a block to .060" over is not going to cause the coolant to overheat. What it can cause is local over-heating of the parts of the metal around the cylinder tops that can crack the walls - but your temperature gauge will never show any of that over-heating. The water temp at the temp probe shows the average temperature of the water as it flows past.
    Thin metal heats faster - fast enough to keep the coolant from actually touching it to cool it down. If the core of the mold shifted in production then the metal near the top of the cylinder can get very thin and get hot enough to fail. That is the only danger with boring to that extent. Making more HP makes more heat and that is why you need more cooling capacity.
     
  5. apotter80

    apotter80 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2009
    Messages:
    86
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    charlotte, MI
    Vehicle:
    1971 maverick grabber(CLONE)

    ditto here:huh:.060 over on a 302 is a lot. probably gonna run hot no matter what. cylinder walls are awfully thin. good luck
     
  6. PaulS

    PaulS Member extrordiare

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    4,858
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Seattle area
    Vehicle:
    1966 Mustang, 1972, 73, 73 and 73 Mavericks
    Read post # 4.
    .060" overbore does not make an engine overheat!
     
  7. lynhrt210

    lynhrt210 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2009
    Messages:
    768
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    somewhere
    Vehicle:
    1974 ford maverick
    mines .60 302 with some performer rpm head,roller rockers,hooker headers,torker II intake and cam and i had my 2 core radiator on it and it was doin just fine but now that i have a 3 core radiator and gonna be installing a good electric fan on it im sure itll run just cooler now too:) o and its a stock 3 core radiator too
     
  8. 71gold

    71gold Frank Cooper Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2002
    Messages:
    26,589
    Likes Received:
    2,934
    Trophy Points:
    978
    Garage:
    1
    Location:
    MACON,GA.
    Vehicle:
    '73 Grabber
    i had a .60 w/stock radiator w/no problems...:thumbs2:
     
  9. Racer_X

    Racer_X Maverick Hugger

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2007
    Messages:
    1,191
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    117
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Vehicle:
    1974 Maverick (1970 clone)
    thanks guys for the info
     
  10. mojo

    mojo "Everett"- Senior Citizen Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2009
    Messages:
    5,272
    Likes Received:
    833
    Trophy Points:
    513
    Garage:
    1
    Location:
    Chicago
    Vehicle:
    73 Comet GT-302 4bl
    Were u running a stock fan? I have stock rad and runs cool "180" majority of time. The only time it may go to 200-212 is when I drive freeway speeds and get stuck in slow traffic on hot day. It's not a major issue cuz the car is just a toy- driven ocassionally.
    Im thinkin abt alum rad and elec fan; already have fan.
     
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2010
  11. PaulS

    PaulS Member extrordiare

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    4,858
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Seattle area
    Vehicle:
    1966 Mustang, 1972, 73, 73 and 73 Mavericks
    If it overheats on the freeway the fan won't do a thing for that - in stop and go traffic the fan will help. If you get a Champion Aluminum radiator it will solve both problems.
     

Share This Page