New Car club (please read)

the only thing that bothers me , is the same date, im pro for anything good for mav/comets , but SAME DATE? i dont know i havent been here long , im just goin to hang back on this one....

 

well i dont get it by e-mail i fig have to get somthing back for my $20 bucks might as well be in Paper and postage

 

Perception is reality :evilsmile

Racers have been fighting that typecast for years. A group of trouble makers. Doesn't mean it's true. If people want to judge a book by it's name that just shows intolerance IMO. To kill a mockingbird isn't really about a guy hunting a mocking bird and killing it.

However upon further view. The Maverick Mafia will not be a sub group of the MCG. I'm ok with that for the greater good. There will still be a Maverick Mafia for racers only.

 

Finally somebody not whinning about this and that. :Handshake
I agree Kudos to Nick. I wish him the much success and I know he will put on a hell of a show for the MCCI!!!

 

Hey can I join you? I'll bring Marshmellow popcorn!
Peace out ya'll.

 

Hmmmm..it does matter. Right off the bat it sets up an 'either this one or that one' situation. It forces a decision to attend one gathering or the other. Why do people have to lean one way or the other? I see this going down the road of so many organizations that I have been a part of...it's sad.

 

been really busy lately and havent had a lot of time, but i will definately take the time to agree with Mav Mark on this one. I wish both organizations the best, but if they really want to not go to war they have to start with a treaty and attempt to not step on each others toes. This is a hobby and about having fun, i will meet with any of you anytime to hang out and do just that. But i will not be taking sides if this becomes something else. Good luck to all involved and i hope the differences get worked out

 

my bad...i'm the post said "new car club" but no one knows who is in it...
how to get into it...or who the elected officers are.
...so what are we talking about???

 

As I said by default "money and distance will play more of a factor than dates" Unless that is you are rich, can get off work multiple vacations etc, The majority here and in the whatever club are middle class or lower unless I am missing something. As stated there will be diehard MCCI guys and DieHard MCG guys. No harm ,no foul.

 

(writers mood) understanding, sympothetic and happy

OK, I could put a smoke screen up and say that the MCCI did not make the announcement until after the MCG made theirs and the MCG wins by virtue of time but that is not the case.
The MCG was/is fully aware that this date is the same that the MCCI holds the Round-up every year (as of late). This date was not chosen to conflict with the MCCI, it was chosen because of:
1) it is a good time to hold a meet (typical weather is good and dry)
2) gives folks plenty of time to get vehicle ready (how many have worked up to the last minute before a round-up to get their car there?)
3) it is the date the MCG already have with WH.
4) MCG dos not see a conflict with the MCCI. Honestly, how many folks could make 2 events in one year with the cost of fuel, hotels, eats and other cost that will be enccured during a trip such as this?
*so the date is just that....a date. I think those that want to go to the Round-up will go to the Round-up....those that want to attend the GATHERING will attend the GATHERING...regardless of what date it is on.

BUT as mentioned, nothing is set in stone and if the members of the MCG want to look into another date.....lets look into it.

 

*YES, the GATHERING will move. I do not want to do this every year. I would hope that people will put together a presentation/proposal and the MCG members will vote on it.

*The MCG has really not got into detail about state reps. I think this is something that the MCG members should decide on.

These are issues that MCG members will be able to discuss once the board is up and running.

 

Not looking for any victory. I can promise that!
I agree that there is really no need for 2 seperate groups.....but for me to be an active participant in any group/club, I need to feel like I have a say/opinion...the MCG will give me that.

 

THAT my friend, is what all of this is about for me.

 

Calling it like I see it....

Well, I already put in my two cents earlier, but I've got a pocket full of nickels.

1. I call things as I see them. I make my own judgements that form my statements and I am willing to stand behind them until I am proven wrong. When proven wrong, I accept it with same gusto. I can say I am wrong and have done it several times.

2. I have only been a member of MCCI since this year. I floated on this forum for two years before joining MCCI. I joined MCCI because of the people I met on this forum. If I were watching the forum now as I did in the beginning, I would not join anything. Nothing but negatives have been said about MCCI and mostly by those forming MCG. That’s a good picture for new members of the forum.

3. I have no particular friends on the MCCI board, nor do I have particular friends in the MCG. I absolutely am not relying on any loyalty to anybody for my remarks.

4. I am not familiar with any national car club where the members vote. Just about everyone is owned by someone. One man owns the Ford Galaxie Club of America. He has the only vote and makes all decisions without asking what the members want. He has 4,000 members. That club has a major presence. It would cost thousands to legally change the club structure to be a voting association.

5. With regards to Sam's comments, those same people who formed this country decided on a constitutional republic as our form of government. The country would be run by a chosen few. We didn't even vote for the US Senator seat until the early 1900's. Until then, Senators were chosen by the state legislatures. It was designed to abide by a set of laws rather than what people wanted to avoid mob rule. If you vote on everything, then the people vote for things they want, not what is best for the country.

6. I like voting; I would like to have a say in club matters. Is it necessary? No. The logistics of putting everything up to a vote by the members is cumbersome, would cost lots money, and dues would be more than $20 per year. What matters really need to be put for a vote? Officers and board members? Fine. How often? How are we going to get to know those running for a seat? It would become nothing more than a popularity contest and the one who has the best name recognition will get chosen.

7. With every organization, somebody has to accept liability. They have to accept liability for what the other members voted on. There are churches all over this country that defaulted on loans, voted on by the entire membership, and the 3-4 trustees (they signed the note) are responsible for making the debt good. If you undersell the prospect of liability, you've been living under a rock.

The previous statements lay the foundation for my upcoming thoughts, they are strictly my opinion, and formed from dialogues I've had today and in previous weeks.

1. There is group that wants to emphasize racing. Let them. It should be a racing association and should still encourage membership into the MCCI. Not everybody is interested in racing. Most are probably like me - like it and want to do it, but it is not the primary focus of my Maverick life.

2. The first thing the new club needs to vote on is a structure. Rules, guidelines, and by-laws need to be drawn up and voted on first. Officers have to be elected as will be spelled out in the new corporate by-laws. And, somebody will need to be elected (read that as volunteer) to accept liability and responsibility for the actions for the club.

3. No 2 does not need to be done if it is going to be a club where everybody gets together on a regular basis, drink beer, and somebody says, "What do y'all want to do?"

4. I am convinced this whole thing started over the disagreement of one or two and escalated to these proportions due to one or two mouthpieces talking completely out of turn and using this forum to sow discord. You will never convince me that Lance is not a driving force behind this group and will not carry some weight in how the club is run. Lance is not a capable leader. He’s a capable Maverick mechanic and customizer, but that does not make him a leader.

5. The very first post of this thread is a picture of hypocrisy. Stating that you are not intending to compete with the MCCI and then state the dates of the “Gathering” on the same weekend, that has traditionally been used for the MCCI Round-Up, comes right out the Bill Clinton School of Truth. Dave, I like you, but your statement on the date of Round-Up not being set is pure BS. How can I trust what MCG wants to do when they are less than truthful from the get-go?

6. The way this new club is coming about is going to split relationships. It will be a like a divorce where you split the friends up as well.

Conclusion
I think those forming the MCG should reconsider their options. Seriously consider a racing group where membership in one big national organization is still maintained. There is strength is numbers as long as it part of one big group. Right or wrong, Washington listens to groups, not individuals as does vendors, other clubs, and sanctioning bodies.

If you think you can form a club where everything is voted on, you’re sadly mistaken. I hope you can pull off electing officials in timely and cost effective manner. It would be a model. However, I want to see how that those elected officers handle responsibility and liability issues.

If MCG is being started purely out of disgruntled and hurt feelings it will fail. No church, group, or company is any stronger than its foundation. A foundation based on anything but pure, honest, truthful intentions is sand, not concrete. It will fall in the storm.

Good luck to MCG. I hope it works and I hope both groups can work together.

By the way, when one group puts me in a position to thave to choose one group or the other, I choose the group that's not forcing a decision. That's time-share sell tactics.